Sometimes everyday mystics are immigration lawyers.
That’s the story of today’s guest. When I first met Zia, she was working as a local immigration attorney for a non-profit. (It is not a great time to be an immigration attorney, if you hadn’t noticed.)
You’d expect someone with a caseload in the hundreds, hearing some of the most gut-wrenching stories all day would be hardened and jaded. But not Zia.
Zia has a light in her eyes and an openness that is rare. She’s one of those people who sees you when she looks at you. Without words, you know that she can see right through all those masks and carefully crafted identities — all the way to the real you.
Her path is similar to so many: raised religious, left the church (and G_d) and then found her way back again as an adult. She came back the Ram Dass way, if you know what I mean.
Our conversation, like being with Zia, is grounded and spacious. We explore the deep human needs for belonging, finding purpose, and our silly search for certainty.
I think my favorite part of this episode is hearing Zia’s commitment to Bhakti — a path of the heart, and learning to live in love all the time.
00:00 – Meet Zia: student, teacher, immigration attorney
04:18 – A childhood between faiths: Bahá’í, Catholic, and belonging nowhere fully
21:56 – Becoming an atheist — and the trip at 41 that changed everything
31:04 – Bhakti, collecting traditions, and experience over doctrine
39:36 – Sound, surrender, and the difference between efforting and allowing
55:21 – The parking lot story, and closing thoughts
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